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While the summer doldrums took upon Ranger country earlier than many had hoped, we thought we would start a fun weekly feature to help the time pass by.

We begin this week with a bold question: Should the Rangers trade Henrik Lundqvist?

Obviously, a huge question that at face value employs a typical "No!" reaction. However, the question was recently presented to me with a few points.

Here are some key thoughts:

- The Rangers aren't contenders now, nor will they likely be next year or possibly two years down the line.

- Lundqvist is in his prime now.

- Lundqvist would yield several high assets in return.

The thinking is this. Considering the Rangers are a couple years away (at least) from truly contending, Lundqvist's dominant play is essentially being wasted on a sub-par team.

Let's say a trade was presented whereas the Rangers would trade Lundqvist and an expiring contract to the Washington Capitals for Mike Green, Thomas Fleischmann, Simeon Varlamov, and a pick.

The Rangers would get a good goalie, a stud defenseman to complement Del Zotto and Staal and a solid top-six forward.

Would this move make the Rangers closer to contention than if they didn't make the trade?

There's the debate. Let's hear some rationale for both corners.

Also, for our subscribers, be sure to check out BlueshirtBulletinPlus.com for player reviews and analysis from the past season and also check out our Prospect Central as Jess Rubenstein and newcomer Kevin Baumer get you set for the draft and rookie camps.

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Posted by Dan Akeson | April 25, 2010 at 12:04 am
Comments

Silly question guys.

Lundqvist would NOT fetch a high return; goalies never do.

The only question for the Rangers was "Would Glen Sather return?"

We now apparently (and unfortunately) have the answer.

Th nightmare continues.

Posted by: Steve | April 25, 2010 at 10:36 am

Dan the problem is Sather, and he implies Dolan. But it's mostly Glen. He's made too many bad moves, and wouldn't have the nerve nor backbone to trade Lundqvist nor Gaborik, or both. If you trade either or both, you have to get prospects that have the potential to be them, or true #1 pick. The NYR aren't interested in rebuilding, just this half pregnant competitive rebuild. This song will remain the same until the genius lets go of the reins.

Posted by: i | April 25, 2010 at 10:42 am

as die hard rangers fans, we have no future to hope for the rangers to be an elite team. what a shame that the likes of dolan, sather do not care. they let dupuis, betts, puuca, knuble, poti, only to name a few go. nothing to look forward to.

Posted by: ray asfar | April 25, 2010 at 11:56 am

i think thats an excellent question,and some excellent points that i agree with.I would trade Lundquist in a heartbeat for that combo...i agre with everythin you just said.

Posted by: tommy deeeee | April 25, 2010 at 03:22 pm

Me and my friend have been debating this for a while now. The fact is this team can't get substantially better with Hank in net we will be on the fringe of the playoffs every year and make it or not for the next couple of years. Trading hank to a team with goaltender issues, say Chicago, or Washington these teams with big time names but miss a goalie would net a huge return because a goalie like hank don't come around often. Could you get Kane or Toews with Hank no (although it's a possibility)... but maybe Seabrook or Keith plus Sharp. To a team like washington or chicago lundqvist means 2-5 years if there are no huge injuries of the cup being yours to lose.

I figure the sharks will be in the market for a goalie as well and with another fallout this year hank could get us. Thornton, Marleau (rights), Nabby (rights) and a pick. We throw in Dubi and maybe we can steal pavelski

Posted by: kwill | April 25, 2010 at 05:18 pm

OMG!!! Are we seriously debating this?!?!? This is why the Rangers are not contenders! It is fans like this that drive Sather and Nolan to cont. this nonsense! We FINALLY have a goalie who can take us all the way and you are considering trading him for Green and Fleichmann?!?!? Who is gonna bail out Green when he gives the puck away in center ice?

Give me a break! No we are not contenders now, and are probably 2-3 years away, but in 2-3 years a 30-31 year-old goalie would sstill be in his prime!!!!!

WithouT Hank we are not gonna be contenders for the next 10-15 years!!!!

Posted by: Volfynyr | April 25, 2010 at 08:52 pm

ray cmon be real.

dupuis played 6 games as a ranger well before torts was even here.

prucha had 22 pts this yr. YES these are points not goals.

you might be the only ranger fan i've ever seen that missed tom poti.

knuble has not played here in 10 yrs. last time he did he had 49 pts as a ranger in 149 games.

no need to whine about any of these.

now i missed the tieing goal in the vanc game as i just had to respond to your post pining for those guys.

Posted by: LI Joe | April 25, 2010 at 10:21 pm

You guys are nuts for asking this type of question. It does not matter when or who we get this team continues to be a failure year after year and I am a die hard rangers fan and still I will tell it like it is. Real smart lets trade henrik like the bunch of @##$5es this tim is. We have never had great goaltending besides richter and you guys want to let hank go. Sather and his follie Dolan will trade henrik for a bunch of garbage. Does anyone remember Lindros Fluery Nedved Dovrak and all the other failures they could win in New York and neither can anyone else. I truly believe that the rangers have a curse that cant be broken and the curse is sather and dolan they dont care about the cup. They only care about getting to the 1st round so they can make all that extra money while the league pays the players salaries for the playoffs. Rangers fans we need to get up of our a@@es and stop watching. stop going to the games stop buying the apparel that makes this team so damn rich and still does not care about anything more then selling out games. Everyone wants to blame the coaches. How can it be we have not been good since 1994 something is wrong here or does anyone else notice. Im fed up with this garbage goodbye.

Posted by: Naldarelli | April 26, 2010 at 10:07 am

Adding Kovalchuk and a banger on defense would
change the whole face of the team so keeping Henrik
would make sense then

Posted by: cfrx | April 26, 2010 at 12:40 pm

nald

1 small correction. the rangers were good through 1997. so it hasn't been seen 1994. but otherwise you're not wrong by any means

Posted by: LI Joe | April 26, 2010 at 01:41 pm

Volfynyr
2-3 years away from a contender is a long stretch. with this team and it's current make up of front office personel, coaches and players is a dream. Only way that happens is if all the players in the pipeline slated to become top line prospects become in fact top line players. the light at the end of the tunnel is a lot farther away than you think. Considering the Rangers past flops with first rnd draft picks who look promising that don't pan out. If Grachev, Stepan and Krieder all become productive 20-35 goal scorers at the nhl level within the next 3 seasons then maybe just maybe we can make some noise. Until then hank will keep us in the 6-9th range of playoff seeding, out of top 5 draft pick status and out of contention to make a run at the cup.

Posted by: kwill | April 26, 2010 at 04:18 pm

Holey Shnikees. I think I've found the dumbest Ranger fans on the face of this planet. FIRST...do you REALLY think the Caps would make that trade?!? F-No. Not in this world.

And some of you think Lundqvist would get the Rangers "Thornton, Marleau (rights), Nabby (rights)" plus maybe Pavelski?!? I'm dumbfounded.

What's next? Dealing Hank for Crosby and Malkin?!?

Dan...you're also horribly misguided about the near future for this team. You might not be able to see the forest through the trees after this season, but the Rangers are by NO means out of cup contention already for 2010-2011.

Posted by: phil | April 26, 2010 at 04:35 pm

Kwill

With your logic, we should just trade away those prospects now! The only problem is that we will be MUCH farther from contention with that plan.

We don't need all those mentioned players to be 25-30 goal scorers - it would be nice - but not an absolute must. If one of them becomes a very solid top six forward, then with the likes of Duby, Caly, Anisimov, Gaby, ect. we can have a very solid top six, and add to it via free agency.

The bottom line is that the core - and that starts with HANK - needs to remain!

Without a top goalie, you can add all those players mentioned as possibly coming back our way, and we will be what Philly has been all these years - a playoff team without a single cup to show for it.

Posted by: volfynyr | April 26, 2010 at 09:15 pm

volf

those guys you listed are mostly 3rd liners other than gaborik of course. or i guess 2nd liners on a bad team which is exactly what we are

Posted by: LI Joe | April 26, 2010 at 11:21 pm

You trade Henrik to Washington and the Caps win the cup the way Detroit did for so many years. If you trade Lundqvist you send him out west.

Posted by: CraigZ | April 26, 2010 at 11:56 pm

volfynyr - If there is even a doubt that players will not reach their potential we should deal them when value is high. We have wasted so many assets in recent years and just watched their value diminish, and eventually get nothing for them. See: Dawes, Prucha, Montoya, and Soon to be Bobby Sangs and Illka. I am sure there are more but off the top of my head those are what i got. I hate to see this team waste their assets, which is something we do year in and year out. I hate to keep going back to this but we could have gotten Havlat for Prucha straight up, instead packaged together with dawes and a pick for morris who we didn't even resign and went back to phx for 1/8th the price we paid for him.

Posted by: kwill | April 27, 2010 at 12:12 pm

But look at it this way.... If we did trade Hank, then there will be plenty of years worth of material to write about.

It can be like the whole Jessiman/Parise discussion.... only with 100x more anger since we actually had Lundqvist in the first place.


This has come full circle now. So, the theory should be then if we cannot get rid of our crappy players, then we should begin trading away our franchise players?

I'd consider trading Lundqvist only if he is included in a package with Druy, Redden, and Rozsival together. If Sather can pull off something like that, I'd consider it...

Posted by: Chris QCT | April 27, 2010 at 05:10 pm

The building of a great franchise begin in net. Period!!!
Look at Jersey - the only reason they won all those cups is Brodeur.

You can easily add other peices of the puzzle via trade or free agency (as soon as Redden's contract expires:) ) but you will NOT obtain a top 5 goalie in his prime!!!

You can put Green, Thornton, Marleau, Sharp, and whoever else you mentioned earlier, but without a top goalie you can only enjoy regular season success, like the Flyers have in the 90's.

I honestly can't believe there are some of you out there who are even considering this!!!!

back in the day when Rangers traded Eddie, who was not in his prime at that time, Rangers fans were ready to throw themselves off the top level of the Graden. The fans of today are actually thinking about possible way to get rid of our one certain star and central peice of rebuilding!!!

That's a damn shame!!!

Posted by: volfynyr | April 27, 2010 at 09:13 pm

vol

devils also won with the system as marty routinely faced less shots than most. aka the trap. and the d was pretty good too. stevens. neidermeyer daneyko for starters

Posted by: LI Joe | April 28, 2010 at 10:54 am

Problem with the as soon as redden's contract expires part is that redden's contract expires in 4 years. That puts hank at 32 years old. Yes, still in his prime... toward the end of it but still in his prime. Which hank's contract expires the same year? Does he resign? Would he want to resign after most likely being no closer to a stanley cup or being highly competitive.

Yes, i am look at that negatively. Will we be any closer to competing with the likes of washington or pittsburgh? hopefully. but as of now assuming that everything else holds constant (sather not fired/retired, torts still calling all of his players out including hank every 10 minutes, redden on the team, and the roster makeup still the same) and we aren't any closer to competing (which i don't think is in our future with sather running the show) will he resign? Would you resign, you were him? Or does he go home to sweden to make as much (if not more) and be a hero to everyone in his country or go to a team that has everything in place and is just missing a goalie to try and win a cup.

If sather stays, even if redden is gone… he’ll find another way to handcuff the team with a useless FA. We all say hank’s frustration this year when leaving the ice after loses where he only gave up 1-2 goals. We all can see even from a fan perspective how much winning means to him. If that type of problem continues he won’t resign. If management admits there mistakes and don’t make more huge gaffs that no don’t trade hank, never trade him and retire his jersey. But if things go the same way, then he is just going to leave at the end of his contract anyways.

My tune changes immediately on this subject if Sather goes away, Redden goes away, and we start winning games so hank isn't getting called out by the coach everytime he lets in a bad goal.

Posted by: kwill | April 28, 2010 at 01:58 pm

redden will never be here 4 more years. no way no how. 2 yrs tops and even that is dubious. when cba expires in 2 yrs (1 plus extension by players) there will very likely be amnesty buyouts of guys like redden with no cap hit.

and henrik is signed for 4 more yrs. the last thing i'm worrying about is if he'll want to be traded then. 4 yrs is a lifetime and who even knows how good henrik will be.

Posted by: LI Joe | April 28, 2010 at 08:41 pm

I wrote a whole disertation on this. Read it here:

http://www.myblueshirtheaven.com/2010/04/07/untouchable/

Posted by: mhurley | April 29, 2010 at 12:00 am

I think you'd have to dump Redden in the minors for cap relief. Plus Drury and Rozy's contract are up in 2 years. That's enough time for this team to correct its wrongs. This system doesn't even have a back up goalie ready. As much as I want to build a brighter future, trading Lundy make ZERO financial sense. He sells tickets. The biggest problem here is that the balance between business and hockey hasn't been found on MSG for a long time. Just got to ride out the bad years. He's only 28. I think he'll be good till 36 or 37 barring injuries.

Posted by: Chase | May 1, 2010 at 11:18 am

Anyone is tradeable if it's the right trade, especially with cap considerations.

This topic is unrealistic, but if we were to get a VERY attractive package from a Cup contender, the Hank love-fest will pass. One thing this organization has always had is top goaltending.

Anything is possible but with this mngt there's no way they would have such a vision nor execute it successfully.

Did they ever sign the minute scoring phenom as TSN reported?

Posted by: Puluche | May 1, 2010 at 01:49 pm

according to nhl rumors, torteralla scared a promising prospect. i wonder who that could have been.

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